[glen]

Me too Harry, Glendenning is your best bet.

[glen]

Ok, got it done, here’s a few pics.

after the bag and plastic base cut off

Cut off the bolt with a cutting torch

This shows the optional band around the bag that Prevost suggest to keep bag from leaking. Newer buses come with them.

bag without the extra band

I made a stud instead of a bolt, and used Loc-title to secure it. There is no way to get a bolt back in this bag without taking the radiator or complete fan assembly out. The housing is plastic on the bag, so all it does is center the bag, no pressure against the bolt because the air keeps it tight.

i used an AN fitting out of my race car parts for the air line. Brass fitting was on it originally.

Here is the finished project. New bag, extra bag clamp, and new braided air line and fittings. Even a new Adel clamp. Now on to the other two bags, which should be MUCH easier……….hopefully.

[glen]

I would bet money that Glenns 39 hrs labor for bags and R-12’s had a lot more involved than just R & R air bags. Just removing the bags and valves and replacing would probably run 10 hrs at most. I’ve not had any work done at Prevost that I considered had excess labor involved, but I’m always there with the bus and know exactly what is going on.

So, lets get the details before throwing stones at the shop.

[glen]

If you can get away with it. As long as people are willing to take service work to a shop that charges $XXXX even though at the hourly shop rate the cost was half that the flat rate is what the shop will charge.

But I think it is wrong for a shop to post that they charge $100 per hour and then bill a customer for $3500 worth of labor on a 10 hour job because that is the flat rate. Those practices encourage the creation of competitive shops to do service work that can and should be done by the people who build the car or truck and who know it best.

[glen]

Jim,

When I got my first coach in 1990 there was no internet as we know it and there was no way for owners to compare notes or answer questions. I was 500 miles from Liberty and 400 miles from Prevost in Lyndhurst so I was pretty much on my own trying to figure out a coach that was brand new to me.

So I would put on my snowmobile suit, head out to the barn and spend an hour or two each evening for about 6 weeks figuring out the systems. What I learned was almost everything about the coach had a great deal of logic behind it and as I concentrated on the varous systems and their knobs and dials and switches it started to make a great deal of sense.

The coaches today are significantly more complex than my 1987 was, but the basics have not changed. Don’t be too afraid of it because as you will realize it has fairly simple systems (just a lot of them) and today you have access to support we couldn’t even dream of 23 years ago.

[glen]

Great news! Glad it wound up being easier than anticipated!

[glen]

Think I found the spot on the main page – DUH !

[glen]

Make sure you drain it in front steer compartment.. prob just cycling everything wll get it loosened up.. C old weather tightens me up too!!
If it don’t work drain and repeat sometimes the shock/change breaks the bond.

[glen]

Unless you have defective protection valves or check valves the loss of aux air is not related to the loss of brake system air.

To effectively repair the leaks, drive south.

[glen]

Fellows, They say the logic controler is just fine, the shafts that work the slide out are round and the flanges are tapered to the shaft all connections are marked with paint lining up the parts that way they can see if any thing has moved or it has been realigned with another line marked my slide was out of alaignment with the mark indicating it had been repaired and not marked or the tapered flange had slipped on the shaft, this info was from the mechanic, he said he was to big to get in the pantry so they had to get the smallest person they had to do the alignment, I also ask him how to bring the slide in manually,he showed me fairly simple but need a good offset drill to make it faster, and you have to trip several breakers and pull a air fitting to keep the pins from engageing. the slide is coming in at the top but not the bottom and robert said it is not a matter that can be fixed with limit switch adjustment. So am just waiting for the call maybe he canauthorize these folks to fix it, they revised the bill at Nashville and did not charge for the slide work done there, hopefully when the problem is found I will not be charged for the work done on the slide in J-ville, somebody has to know how to fix this thing or I need to go to a no slide coach, or, Gary

[glen]

Thanks for the help will check today… Can the R 14 leak inside it self so you can not see it with soapy water???

[glen]

I found out that it was AAP.com that modified the roof airs to work with SMX controlls. Then Marathon further modified the system to include control for other heating systems and at one point they switched to SMXir units and wired in an IR transmitter so that their home automation system could control the units.

[glen]

Glen, I can guess at what heights you need but too many factors influence the exact height. Best bet is to raise it up and measure from the support points to the floor. Adjustable isn’t practical unless you want to do a lot of jacking to get the chassis higher than the air bags will do.

With the bus raised fully you can roll under on a creeper. All work is within the wheel area and you can sit up in there once under the coach. I did all my work that way for 10 years when we lived in NY. Look at the photos Tom posted regarding his suspension work and you will see that is what he does also.

I have taken buses down to the bone with them up on stands. No doubt a pit is great, but if you have no pit you can still do virtually anything.

[glen]

There actually were a few early S60’s equipped with 5 speeds, but it would probably be a 1994-96 chassis which is possible.

[glen]

Well, just for peace of mind I went out and took out the filters, blew out the lines and added some anti freeze to all the tanks and traps. Oh darn, just remembered I have to go do the washing machine and ice maker…….I know how to do the washing machine but do I just turn the ice machine on and let it blow out too? Never had an ice maker (that worked) in my previous coaches.