Davy
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Gil,
You are in over your head on this one.
” In the case of delamination of the XLIIs, I haven’t seen anything proactive on the part of Prevost, although I wouldn’t as I don’t own one. I also haven’t seen anything that provides specifics on what Prevost will cover, if anything.”
First I will share my feelings so you are clear that I am not a toady for Prevost. I think the delamination issue should have never happened. Whether it was an engineering screw up or a manufacturing process problem we will never know. But whatever the reason Prevost made a mistake and then compounded the mistake by not maintaining a line of communications with their XLII owners. But that is my opinion only.
However you couldn’t be more wrong. I have no idea why you are stirring this pot, but make no mistake that Prevost has been working on this since the problem first happened and with one rare exception I know of owners of XLII coaches have been taken care of. Your post is likely to gather some responses from XLII owners who have been well taken care of in that the problem is finally solved and the fix (with the exception of paint sometimes) has been at the expense of Prevost.
Regardless of whether a person buys a coach with delam or not as part of the purchase inspection all they need to do is have Prevost evaluate the coach. If it has a problem they will confirm how much financial participation they will offer and then all that is needed is to schedule the repairs. You make it sound like Prevost needs to go from bus to bus checking for problems. I think they are very proactive in working their butts off for years trying a number of repair methods and finally developing the one currently being done. Go back and read the posts and show me any in which an XLII owner is unhappy with the results.
As to value you as a CC owner should look at your coach and see what happens to value when NOBODY stands behind the product. Then go kiss Miles on the lips for bailing out owners of products in which the converter was not only not proactive, but was absent. You can compare your dash to the delam problem with one difference. You ate the cost of replacing your poorly designed, unsupported product while the XLII owners have the full support of Prevost including the countless hours they must have spent trying to get ahead of this issue.
If you want to call your Silverleaf dash an upgrade, then consider the rivets and stainless strips on XLII coaches an upgrade.
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I understand about the compatibility issues. I have done alot of development in the past. It has been quite a while now but I should still remember enough to be of help to your developer. Feel free to have him contact me directly if you would like and I’ll work with him to do some testing. It may not be that hard to find what is failing and why. Fixing it may be another issue. Here are my specs in the mean time. Like I said older as I have not had time to upgrade. I don’t really have an option for upgrade as everything is now too old. It is a domino affect. To do one thing requires a pre-requisite and another and another and you finally end up just replacing the whole thing as it is just too much trouble. I have have been anticipating upgrading but just have not had time.
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Gil,
The problem is air getting behind the shades and making them billow out because it has nowhere else to go.
Part of the reason so few converters used OTR is the complexity of dealing with OTR and ducting. It sounds so simple but nothing could be fiurther from the truth. The converter has to think of and resolve all the issues ranging from balancing the flow to providing adequate return. And they have to do this while covering the walls and windows with cabinets, and shades and everything else making air handling a serious engineering problem.
It could be as simple as diverting the air flow outward beneath the window sill. That would save an expensive job of integrating a grille into a Corian or hard surfaced sill, and it would eliminate the billowing of the shades if they were left down. But then you have the black glass acting like a solar panel dumping heat into the coach above the air flow and anyone sitting in the path of the air flow needs a snowmobile suit.
So the OTR conversions I have seen flow air up the windows so nobody gets direct air flow on them, and the heat from the windows becomes a non-issue.
The cost of OTR is not the purchase price of the option. It is the expense of designing everything to handle the system’s output and return air without having cold air onto the occupants. Poor Tom has never had the pleasure of OTR so he is trying to deal with his broken blinds which are impacted by his OTR. If he had a non OTR coach he wouldn’t have even mentioned his blinds. But then again he would have needed them down so the heat coming from the windows would not overcome is inverter powered AC unit.
(Couldn’t resist.)
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As near as I can determine from conversations, dumping air in the tag prior to moving a slide in or out on a coach with Prevost slides imposes loads on the chassis frame (or removes them) so the slide is not binding.
All of this may be old wives tales or it may be the case. In any event it is part of the cycle and out of the operator’s control. When the button is pushed to move the slide it is just one of the steps in the sequence and is done every time.
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About 40 miles up from Madison, WI is the area called the Wisconsin Dells. There are many campgrounds there and many things to see and do if you like waterparks and rivers and smallish lakes. If you go from there to Eau Claire, WI and head north on Highway 53 you can go up through Duluth, MN / Superior, Wi and from there you could go up the North Shore on Hwy 61 in MN to Canada and either then come back down to Duluth and go west on Hwy 2 to Grand Forks, or go west through Ontario and cross back down at International Falls, MN or go all the way out to Winnepeg.
The scenery is far better going up the North Shore than going up to Winnepeg. The roads in western Ontario are not great, but ok. It takes about 3.5 hours to go from Duluth to Thunder Bay, Ontario. There isn’t a lot do see or do in Thunder Bay other than old Fort William, but the scenery up and back is nice this time of year.
There is a decent campground in Duluth at Lakehead Boat Basin. Right on the water in what is called Canal Park. Many good places to eat etc. There are other campgrounds along the North Shore, but many are way to small for a bus, and you may not be able to tell from the description in guide books, so if you decide to go up with the bus check ahead.
Remember that you need your passport to gain entry back into the US if you do go to Canada.
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Jack, How did you fit the sensors on your tag and steer wheels. Truk looked at mine and did not see how to fit the sensors without changing the valve stems to a longer one which would leave the sensor hanging out. Sorry to change topic.
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I did not ask my question very well. I am speaking about the oil temp gauge on the dash at the far upper right. I know it measures temps of the transmission fluid. What should that read on a 98 liberty xl? Mine reads barley past 140 which is where the gauge starts but the mid scale temp is about 195 degs. I assume it is reading too low. What are your thoughts.
Wave
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Jerry, here is a pic showing the mechanical gauges in upper right on the Series 60 in my MCI. If yours has them, they are likely in the same location. The E series MCI has a tall engine bay like your Prevost H. I think you would have seen them if they are there.
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Has anyone actually tried one of these modifications?
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Wave,
If you add information to your signature line regarding the coach and model (Elegant Lady or Classic) you will find a lot of specific help from the multitude of owners on this site that collectively have a lot of knowledge and experience with your vintage Liberty.
A valuable addition to your coach would be contact information (phone nos. and email addresses) for other PC members with that knowledge. If anyone is willing to provide Wave with contact information but wants to maintain privacy send it to Tom or I and we will forward it to Wave.
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Charles,
Good to know you have the drawings. I have a set, although not complete. In fact, I tried to see which board controls the curb side lights but didn’t have that data. I noticed my driver’s side curb side lights were on but neither of the interior switches was green and neither would turn them off. The next day all was back to normal, at least for now.
Some day I want to rip out the ECC and upgrade it to the Intellect or Crestron system or simply make my own. It’s not high on the list, but it’s on the list.
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Jon and Tom Thanks for the site. There are a lot of good info on here and the other board when Cliff posts. Don’t want to leave anybody out , Heck, I learn from everybody on my Prevost. Invaluble!
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I’ve had some success by placing a small fan outside, right under the breaker box, blowing up onto the breakers to keep them cool. I’ve done this on more than one occasion and it does work.
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any direction on the boosters, they say that they are a surge protector and if the voltage drops it boost the voltage up?
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Gil, I realize humidity is a consideration, but as anyone with OTR will tell you our systems drip enough water out of the evaporator to supply the average small city. OK I’m kidding, but only a little. We do remove a lot of humidity when the OTR is running and the water drains steadily from the evaporator bay.
What we have recognized as long term owners of OTR coaches is it does quickly remove humidity, and we don’t get that musty odor or sense of dampness. We know how Florida gets and one of the reasons we make extensive use of either the OTR or the Cruiseairs is if we rely on cool ambient air the towels in the shower will never get dry and will mildew. I wish there was some reasonable way to use OTR when parked because it is very effective at handling humidity and the air flow distribution is superb so the entire coach is remaining at a low humidity.
(At 105,000 BTU that would be the equivalent of 7 Cruiseairs so I doubt if a 50 amp shore power would allow my wishes to become reality)