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Security in a fragile nation
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Truxton
As a correction to above reference to tear gas. Cdc ssys a number of agents used for crowd control can be lumped into veing called “tear gas”. https://emergency.cdc.gov/agent/riotcontrol/factsheet.asp Anything that irritates eyes, nise lungs skin etc
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What it take you 4 days to find that Lane?
Later
bv
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I hated to leave Polk City, FL for one reason, Sheriff Grady Judd.
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My kind of a lawman.
JC
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x2 what JC said.
I know the folks here where I live are like the folks in Polk County. I hope our Sheriff is like Sheriff Grady Judd?
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No one has the right to violate your private space in or outside your home. Some things you can talk your way out of. Some things you can back your way out of. But most times force can only be dealt with with equal or greater force. Finding someone uninvited in your home/bus should expect by definition to expect a less than quiet response!
Harry
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All politics aside, this is what I protect myself inside my bus, Bushmaster AR Pistol. Well that and the ever present concealed 45 on my hip. Plus a few others scattered around everywhere i am stationed. I’d rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
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Hello,
First of all let me state I am a gun owner with several ARs, Tavors and misc handguns and shotguns.
But I need to make sure we all understand the issues that can arise if we ever use our guns. Remember if we shoot a bullet we are 100 % responsible where that bullet ends up.
Yes, we would probably be ok if we were to shoot a person that was breaking into our bus or home, but if we miss with a 9MM or 223 round odds are it will ending up in another RV or camper nearby. Heaven forbid a person is shot and killed by a stray bullet then being prosecuted for manslaughter is probable.
Inside my coach my go to is a baby shot gun. Close up it would do the job more then likely not travel through the steel and if ended up going through front window probably would not stray to far.
I would love to hear others thoughts on this.
David Thomas
Featherlight XL 1998
2000 Featherlite H3-45
2024 Jeep Grand Cherokee
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I own guns and carry a pistol and a shotgun with #6 bird shot. I hope I never have to use either. My best protection as stated earlier is my key.
Both of those stated above, the key and the guns are last resorts.
My primary means of protection is planning and doing all possible to never put myself in a position where I have to rely on either. If I were to be traveling now my first option is to not go downtown anywhere, to remain where crowds are unlikely, to use traffic routes such as interstates, and to avoid as much human contact as possible.
Call me chicken.
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David:
When in the U.S Coast Guard I was trained to use a shot gun as the weapon of choice. It has a deterrent most other weapons do not have, the sound of racking a round in the chamber. Plus it is very user friendly in confined area’s and close quarters.
Having said that I am currently looking for a shot gun with 18.5″ barrel with combination pistol grip/shoulder stock. Apparently everyone else on the planet is also looking and even if I did find one there is no rounds other than bird shot available. All the gun shops are telling me their suppliers have no schedule as to their next shipment and any ammo is 2-3 months out for restocking.
Any suggestions or sources how to legally acquire a shot gun anytime soon?
Chuck
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Hi David, I for one believe you need to know how to use any weapon you have. By that I don’t mean you know to point and pull the trigger. I mean that you have shot the weapon enough to know how it shoots, to know how it feels in you hand when it discharges and does the shot go where it’s intended.
Most people with a concealed carry permit who have had to use their weapon, the person is 5 or less feet away. The real unknown is how do you react when fear sets in. And if you have to fire a weapon with someone in front of you, fear is very much involved. That’s why knowing your weapon is so important. Because you know the shooting aspect of the situation. You should also get insurance specific to using a firearm. It’s not that expensive and if you have a firearm it’s a good idea. Especially if you have a right to carry permit.
Chuck, that shotgun is available in most gun shop. And most states have laws against sawd-off-shotguns. Even stares like Wyoming. Be careful of the laws.
Glen, I keep telling you those cap guns give you very little protection!
Harry
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Harry:
Correct me if I am wrong, the research I have done is showing a shot gun with no less than a 18.5″ barrel and no less than an overall length of 26″ is legal. Have used these in confined spaces when in the Coast Guard and feel comfortable with them.
Chuck
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Hi Chuck, A sawed-off shotgun is typically considered as anything under an 18 inch barrel And I agree with you it’s incredible firepower, and the sight of it alone will stop many problems in there tracks. Especially a pump action that has a sound unlike any other weapon. They also have pistols that fire a 410 shell that’s an attention getter as well. Not sure if they offer other gauges but I’m sure of the 410.
Travel today makes us consider things that we may not have a few weeks ago. Be safe, Be wise and Be aware!!!
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Okay, here we go with my two cents worth again.
It depends on whether you want to get the best tool for the job or you want to get by as cheap as you can so you can call yourself “protected”. I’ve always wanted the best tool for the job. I’m not a rich guy, but I try to non waste money on junk.
The best tool for the job bus gun wise, IMHO, is the Kel Tec KSG 12ga Bullpup dual tube pump shotgun. Thats what I’m equipped with.
As far as a carry piece I tend to favor a Glock automatic. It’s about the safest and easiest to use handgun on the market. A top quality piece. Either a 9mm or 45 ACP version is fine. I prefer the 45 ACP. The reason for that is that they don’t make a 46.
There are a lot of choices out there, and you can take your pick, but I don’t think anyone would argue with what I’ve said.
One more thing. There is an organization, Concealed Carry University, run by a guy by the name of Patrick Kilchermann, that is in the business of personal firearm protection education. I strongly suggest that you check this out and avail yourself of what they have to offer. You’re getting into an area of tremendous responsibility, potential liability and, if you don’t know what you’re doing, potential danger.
JC
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I always kept wasp spray by the front of my RV. And piled up chairs by the front door at night and kept an aluminum baseball bat handy. Also when I parked on an interstate a street light near the front and if a cop Was parked up front I made sure he could see me.
Just make sure you are always cautious.Be safe and stay alert. I am 83 and plan on getting a lot older.
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