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Security in a fragile nation
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Spent last two days calling numerous gun sales from Walmart to Gander to Pawn Shops. There are little to no guns (hand or long guns) available. Yes there is some left over cheap stuff that no one wants. The real kicker is No Ammo is available for hand or long guns.
Bottom line is if anything is to be bought you have to do it backwards, find what ammo is available and by the weapon to match the ammo. The current lack of guns and ammo real put this hole thing in to perspective. Scary times.
Chuck
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Don’t worry Chuck, This too shall pass. There are now a big flock of people who never considered having a gun much less buying one. And scary times is for sure. I think if if we give it a couple months production will catch up with demand. I know that Smith & Wesson has recently opened a new plant and are looking to refit another. As for ammo it’s always good to always have 100 rounds on hand.
Harry
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Sorry , I had to laugh at the ” Pile up Chairs ” . I have a friend who owns a lot that sells Prevost Coaches . Years ago he started leaving the doors unlocked so the thieves could steal the worthless electronic tv stuff . I asked why and he went on to say how in there efforts to break in they would destroy the door but fail to get in . So he figured some junk Tv s were worth far less than a 3k dollar door . That cost was 10 or so years ago .
I feel safer in my coach than my home . I do still have backup just in case i forget to lock the door 🙂
1984 96" with 8V92TA
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Gee, thanks, JC. A few minutes ago I didn’t even know that a shotgun I absolutely must have right now even existed. You’re bad.
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If I have a shotgun in my hands even the squirrels fear me.
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There’s a joke there Jon but I’ll leave it alone.
JC, what’s it like firing the Kel Tec KSG 12ga, quite a kick to it right? I think I’d rather go towards a 410 or 20 gauge unless your thinking of crowd control. A 12 gauge shotgun is a lot of firepower especially in a confined space.
Harry
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As fascinating as it appears, a bunch of old guys chatting about firepower for use in a bus just seems a little scary. Especially considering if we do something simple like lock the door when we are inside.
Even if attacked by a mob there likely isn’t much that can block the bus’s path if we decide to get somewhere safe.
For the record we went years without carrying any weapon in our coach. The incident that changed that was when Di was walking our pup while I had a bathroom break and then started to make coffee.
As I observed her she was approached by a man that gave me some concern, she got real uncomfortable and made her way back into the bus ASAP. As it turned out minutes after she got back into the bus cops came into the rest area and had him handcuffed and searched and pulled a large knife from his pocket.
If he had done or threatened to do anything to Di my only weapon in the bus was a butter knife. That was the incident that prompted the purchase of the shotgun.
But with a locked door it will take a serious entry attempt by a crazy person to be able to enter the coach before I start it and start driving.
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Jon, If things go as planned for some, that wont happen anymore. (A man being arrested by the police) Presently shopping for more butter knives. 😉
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I like your sense of humor Jeff.
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Harry, The Kel Tek is not a real heavy piece, but it’s not a really light weight either, so, it’s pretty good at absorbing a good bit of the recoil. It’s chambered for the high power magnum loads, but there’s no need in this application to use them. If you use the lower power (low brass) loads, the recoil isn’t really bad at all. I wouldn’t consider the 20ga or .410, but that’s a matter of personal preference. I would use no lighter than #4 shot.
Jon, as usual, I agree with everything that you said. Chances are, that with reasonable judgement and forethought we will never be in a situation that we have to shoot our way out of. I’ve never been there, but the chance of it always exists. Some years ago my dad and mom did have a situation similar to yours in a Florida I-75 rest area that got a little dicey. No one was outside, but a person did beat on the door in effort to gain entry. He did eventually go away, but my dad said that his 45 gave him a great deal of comfort. At that time there was a good bit of rest area robbery going on. The only experience that I’ve had was a law officer knocking on the door just to check to see if everything was okay. I suspect that he may have been looking for someone in particular. I felt good that I had my protection handy until I knew who it was and when I made him aware, in the aftermath, that I was armed, he said, “wise decision.”
Unfortunately there are predators out there who would do us harm and we have to be aware of the fact and do our best to stay out of the way as much as possible but the need for defense can still occur. I believe in being prepared. I learned it in the Boy Scouts. If anyone ever broke a window in my bus, I would take it as that he had just used his weapon. The next thing that would happen would be that I would use mine. The dog that barks here and bites over yonder. I would never shoot through, and break, a perfectly good window, but I would have no hesitation in shooting through one that had already been broken. Neither would I hesitate to convert a 200 pound body that tried to stop a 60,000 pound bus into a greasy spot.
When I go fishing i never intend, or expect, to fall out of the boat. My boat is an unsinkable Boston Whaler, but I still, as required by law, have a life preserver handy.
Again, just my two cents worth.
JC
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2000 Featherlite H3-45
2024 Jeep Grand Cherokee
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I’m not an attorney and others more conversant with the law my provide insight, but if someone is outside my coach, shooting through a window at them can be a crime.
Anyone who sees our coaches knows the amount of time and effort required to get into the coach with a locked door, even with a window completely removed. Shooting at someone in the process of climbing through that open window might be justified, especially if that person has a gin in hand. But anyone else outside the coach stops being a threat, especially when your best choice is to start the engine and drive away.
For your life to be threatened to the point the use of a gun is justified a person has to be inside your coach coming at you, or outside your coach shooting at you.
Now with no pets that require us to step outside the coach at a rest area the chances I will need to put a gun in my hand are so slight as to be almost immeasurable as long as I can get in the driver’s seat and move the coach.
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You’ve got it right Jon, it’s immediate threat and that’s not the case if someone is moving away.
Jon said: Shooting at someone in the process of climbing through that open window might be justified, especially if that person has a gin in hand.
Ok Jon, but what if he has scotch in his hand?
Harry
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I’m really enjoying how the conversation is going about being a Prevost owner and the disdain people have toward them. Now try being a black here in America and wondering every time you go out whether or not you will be confronted simply for being black. That has been my dilemma for 65 years. So in the scheme of things having to worry about negative reactions from people about us driving our Prevost is very minuscule. Just my 2 cents.
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