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Zip Dee Awnings
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Geo said: “same ******up waste tank”
What wrong with the waste tank on a Liberty? Please enlighten us.
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After about 1999 or 2000 they where putting aluminum hold tank black and grey they rot out no good
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Peter: Geo is probably referring to that. I wonder why he seems to vilify all Libertys then.
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Liberty could not sell new buses in some states because of enviromental issues with the single gray and black tank.
Before you scream bullshit boy’s, check it.Geo is right, Liberty and Featherlite wore them storm shutters out until around 06, then they put the long awnings on the side of the roofline, what was that called? A Torpedo.
UK Guy is on the right track. Prevost could give a shit about 10 guys (me included) with old buses raising hell.
Go buy a new one Dick, someone will fix your mirrors.
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Bernie, just to be accurate, I don’t think there is a single coach built that meets the plumbing codes. If your coach has a tank flushing system it fails every known standard for example.
I really doubt that separating black and gray is a plumbing code requirement since most states usually adopt one of the prevailing model codes and then modify it as required if the state has special needs. I am not aware of a single state that has a two system sewer, one for gray and one for black. In every code I am aware of the shower and the toilet all go into the same lateral to the municipal sewer system.
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No worries Godfather, I forgot you Liberty guys crap rose petals. I stand corrected.
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I’m not trashing Liberty or any converter (not wanting to give up bus air, our next bus will undoubtably be a Liberty), merely pointing out the corporate culture (big and small) that is often adverse to change for God knows what reason. I’m looking forward to not dumping and just needing a broom and dustpan. Geo.
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If you have a Liberty with an aluminum holding tank, it’s not if, it ‘s when it starts to leak, call Jeff.
Bernie – you forgot to tell them your Marathon has plastic no leak tanks.:)
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My point about the alum tank is that Liberty will replace it with the same crap so 6 -7yrs later the next owner cn go through it all over again. Geo.
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Full disclosure: My daughter’s factory is building stainless steel replacement tanks for Jeff. I have stayed far away from this issue because I don’t have a dog in the fight. She started doing this because I replaced my aluminum tank with one made of stainless steel.
My two previous Liberty coaches has stainless steel waste holding tanks. When I got my current coach I saw it was aluminum and was not happy. I understand why aluminum was used. Our coaches are getting heavier and converters are doing everything possible to keep the weights down.
I did not want an aluminum tank because it is highly reactive. I think Peter once posted how quickly his aluminum horse trailers corrode. So replacing the tank went on my water bay project list. I had a number of changes I wanted to make in the water bay and folded it all into a big project.
When I pulled my aluminum tank I was shocked at how close I was to a failure. The flanges to which the flexible hoses are attached were literally eaten away. I have no idea how the tank still held water. So I replaced it with the first stainless steel tank her factory made. I have no idea of its cost because she produced it for me. I still don’t know what they cost because that is between her and Jeff and I don’t want to be involved. I can calculate the cost but I am not going to. I did make the tank material 1/2 the thickness of the aluminum and had it double welded inside and out. Its strength is more than adequate and the change only added about 30 pounds. I made up for the increase in weight by removing the stainless steel covered doors that covered the bay after you opened the bay door. I did that on the electrical bay and the water bay.
The decisions made by Prevost and the converters sometimes require time to prove if they are correct. We have pointed out several examples of things that might not have been the best choices. There is still no better alternative on the planet to a Prevost conversion. So while complaining loud and often will sometimes cause change, for me the bottom line is to just fix the problem. My mirrors will eventually get replated using the correct process, I will stick foam rubber between the housing and the glass to stop the shakes, I have changed my CAC and my holding tank and now the issues I find (such as push in fittings) are so petty in the overall scheme of things I will just deal with them when the time comes.
I cannot think of a single converter who makes a lousy coach. We pick our converter (and Prevost model) based on our likes and needs. Are all conversions perfect? Nope. Can they all have some improvements, yes.
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Well said Jon. I agree completely. Very important for the those looking for their first Prevost to read and clearly understand what you said and what your point was in that post.
Important: “I cannot think of a single converter who makes a lousy coach.”
Prevost and the converters do things that make us scratch our heads, but at the end of the day Jon is probably right.
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Jon has an undeniable talent for saying everything better. If he hadn’t recognized the problem and done something about it and this forum hadn’t made it known, Liberty owners with the problem would be getting the same crappy tank as a replacement for most likely a lot more money than the good one installed at ETLC. Doing the same thing over and over again and again is a textbook example of insanity. Money aside, when it comes down to a leaking waste tank, the time and extreme hassle is a nightmare. Geo.
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I replaced mine with a stainless tank at Jeff’s right after Jon did his and mine was near failure , it was well worth it
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I would guess CC used plastic. What material (for tanks) did Featherlight use in the late 90’s and early 2000’s? Thanks,
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Good question Kurt,
I thought they used plastic holding tanks, but maybe that’s something I heard on the Featherlite tour. Hope others weigh-in …
Administrators, feel free to move this thread to Plumbing since we’re not talking about the Zip Dee awings anymore.
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