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You’re right on Bryan,

Although there is probably a technical violation of Internet Fraud, it would never be prosecuted federally simply based on the low threshold. There are literaly thousands of Internet Fraud cases that are filed daily were greater damages to senior citizens or unsuspecting victims.

Locally, there’s no doubt some Fraud Statute that could pursued by a complainant, if they believe they were a victim of the Fraud, to local authorities who may or may not investigate/prosecute based on their threshold established within their respective prosecutor’s office. Although in that rural area, this dealer no doubt has family relationships within the local government as well.

Civil suit may be the best recourse by a victim. But that means the victim must pay out of pocket to pursue a case which he may lose and then suffer additional financial loss.

The State Licensing Motor Vehicle Agency sounds like a good way to go …

[Peter]

I am going to offer him $275K and see what he says.

I have a 2003 Toyota Tacoma, 5 speed, four wheel drive, in good condition. Mileage is 167K. It has a “Ferrari” sticker on the tailgate. Asking $75K.

[Chas]

Country Coach built it’s own chassis, the Dynomax. I am pretty sure that the Lexas were built on this chassis.

[Gerald]

I am not in the US at the moment, or I would do it, but has anyone thought of emailing or talking to the guy and asking for the VIN so you can run a Car-Fax on it? That would tell the tale really quickly. If he is a dealer, then he is used to people running Car-Fax on possilbe purchases.

Colt, with that Ferrari sticker on the tail gate, you probably should up your asking price by at least a hundred K to $175K.

3-F (or as my Mechanical Engineer friends calls it “F cubed”)

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Yes, the Lexa was built on the Dynamax chassis line along with the Magna and Affinity, which were separate jigs from the Allure and Intrigue. We were privileged to get behind the scene on the line when the first Lexa was in production.

[Eric]

If you want to read a real horror story about CC go to the Private Forum, go to convertors, second page, still pisses me off to think about it, along about 2005 or so CC the plastic part, just forgot what quality control was! and could not care less what the customer needed, gary

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I think you guys are getting in a tizzy over nothing. I think people that have $2-300k to spend on a coach would quickly realize the Lexa is not a Prevost conversion. Lexa was built on Country Coach’s propriatary chassis Dynamax and was the precursor to the 2005 Magna/Affinity. Recent examples for sale are listed for just over $200k.

For those of you who speak derogatory of “plastic” coaches, with it’s fiberglass construction over a metal frame, the H3 would fall in that category

Per Korslund

Considering a “plastic” H3-45

[Kyle]

“For those of you who speak derogatory of “plastic” coaches, with it’s fiberglass construction over a metal frame, the H3 would fall in that category.”

I’m a Newbie to the site, but most references I’ve read on this site regarding “plastic coaches” are to simply distinguish them from a Prevost. Specifically, a Prevost is a true Steel Monocoque structure, unlike the normal coaches which have a chassis like Spartan or Freightliner, then build a box on top of it.

I “think” the siding on an H-3 is thicker than SOBs, but I’ll let someone with more knowledge on this weigh-in on that, although I know the H-3 is all stainless steel under the skin.

I’m also in the market in the next six-months and am considering an H-3 vs XL/XLII. Good luck with your decision!

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Per,

I think the reaction to the seller’s calling a conventional motor home a Prevost was based on two things. The first reaction I had was the potential buyer was being mislead and it appeared the deception went beyond pasting the Prevost letters on the front and rear.

The second thought I had was defensive. I don’t want anyone comparing motor home quality with Prevost commercial bus quality. That would be akin to trying to convince a buyer a Lincoln is a Rolls Royce.

I have zero concerns when buyers looking for a motor home look at Prevost conversions and conventional motor homes, and then make a decision to buy the conventional motor home. The later models of high end motor homes look great and are loaded with features. And to be honest if we compare a Prevost with a conventional motorhome each is going to have strong selling points. When we call a coach a plastic coach, or a sticks and staples, I don’t think it is as much a put down as it is differentiating the motor home from the Prevost conversion.

I really have a hard time equating an H3 with a conventional motor home, even though they might share a plastic exterior. I am pretty sure there is a substantial difference in life expectancy, safety, strength, and the standards to which each are built.

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Any comparison of a fiberglass mass produced motorhome and a Prevost H is an illusion at best.

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Per,

As you study and look closer at a Prevost coach, you will see the major differences in the quality of design and craftsmanship.

H’s are made a of a Kevlar composite giving the coach a strong smooth solid surface appearance. I noted in another thread that I saw a wrecked ‘H’ at a Prevost center (I was getting service on ours).

Looking closely at the damage, you can tell the impact was severe. The third bay door that is crushed has just a few torn pieces of the Kevlar fiber at the depth of the intrusion. It truly looks like it acted like metal. And, I know the door is made of a metal skeleton.

Our previous ‘normal’ motorhome had no impact protection at the front-end. It was fiberglass with brackets behind the structure holding everything in place. We have REAL bumpers, front and back, on a Prevost.

Also on another thread, you could see a Thor motorhome hit a cable divider after having a front tire failure, the whole front end where the coach came in contact with the cable is torn away, just fiberglass. The metal structure of the front of a Prevost is very thick metal members built across the front (I could see it clearly on the damaged Prevost) which protects the driver/passenger area.

As you dig deeper, it will be crystal clear why the terms ‘stick and staples’ and ‘plastic coach’ are used, not to be derogatory, it just the way they are really built.

A Prevost shell is delivered in one piece for conversion and converted through the front windshield (and entrance door). Our previous ‘plastic’ coach had a semi-monocoque chassis put ON-TOP of the chassis frame.

Safe travels,

Mark

[Chris]

Tom wrote: “Any comparison of a fiberglass mass produced motorhome and a Prevost H is an illusion at best.”

I think Tom might have mistyped in haste. What I believe he meant to say was “Any comparison of a fiberglass mass produced motorhome and a Prevost H is a delusion at best.”

Regarding the fake Prevost that is for sale, while someone who has shopped extensively for a Prevost would likely determine this particular coach is a counterfeit … there are lots of buyers out there who are new to RV’ing and motorhoming who are not necessarily be in the market for a Prevost, but when the stumble onto what looks like a great deal on a Prevost (something that they thought was out of their price range) they might not pause to look that gift horse in the mouth but go into the deal balls to the wall and checkbook wide open. And unfortunately get nothing but a royale screwing on the deal.

I recall someone mentioning that they had alerted Prevost to this fake coach, I was hoping we’d hear that Prevost had taken very strong legal action against the seller (i.e. a cease and desist order demanding that the Prevost badging be stripped from the coach and there be NO FURTHER advertising it as a Prevost coach).

[Dick]

Must be the dictionary in WI is different.

il·lu·sion

iˈlo͞oZHən/

noun

1. a thing that is or is likely to be wrongly perceived or interpreted by the senses.

   “the illusion makes parallel lines seem to diverge by placing them on a zigzag-striped background”

   synonyms:

   mirage, hallucination, apparition, figment of the imagination, trick of the light, trompe l’oeil; More

   • a deceptive appearance or impression.

     “the illusion of family togetherness”

     synonyms:

     appearance, impression, semblance; More

   • a false idea or belief.

     “he had no illusions about the trouble she was in”

     synonyms:

     delusion, misapprehension, misconception, false impression;

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I did not know Tom even had a dictionary, and even more I never realized he know how to use one.

Wow.

[jack]

Ya
see folks, the Godfather doesn’t even know the dictionary is on line
now and can be Google d just like the history of the Lennon Sisters
or how many episodes of Lawrence Welk did in fact include bubbles.

Hmm, can you get that off a flip phone?