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Odd One 1991 Liberty Right Side Slide
It’s unusual a 1991 Liberty on Ebay with a right side slide. I’m just curious. Anyone know about it?Ken
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Most unusual.
I have a lot of trouble believing that is a Liberty conversion. It is not a Liberty dash style, the generator is not oriented like Liberty does theirs since the beginning of time, and instead of the Liberty leveling system it has HWH.
It looks nice, but something doesn’t seem right.
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I agree with Jon nothing looks correct on the exterior as well as the interior. No liberty plaque on front and different Prevost plaques front and back. I would have to pull up vin. I have never seen this bus there are two other coaches that I know of that have aftermarket slides and neither of them look this much different.
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Another strange thing, the cabinet doors and drawers have the exact
style laminate, of the same color and the same style wood trim as my
1988 Angola.
Ken
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The striped style of laminate was used on a lot of coaches of that vintage including Liberty I believe. But not the style of cabinetry.
I wonder if the bus has had body damage and used parts for the body such as the rear doors were taken from a salvage vehicle?
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Looking more at the coach there are more things that would suggest this is not a Liberty coach.
The generator location would suggest either a Marathon or a CC. It appears to be second bay, driver’s side. The quality of the cabinetry by CC and Marathon of that vintage if I remember correctly was much nicer and had more attention to detail. Not saying the interior is shabby, but it doesn’t seem to rise to the quality of Liberty.
Liberty NEVER used that style rear camera housing. Their’s was surface mounted and was for the camera only.
This is a small detail, but Liberty owners will recognize that Liberty took pains to level the air horns so they are parallel to the ground and not tipped to follow the slope of the roof line. Was a Liberty a donor vehicle?
I have never seen a Liberty ceiling that looked like the one shown.
The belt tensioner used on the fan gear box was typical of the type used on OTR coaches of that vintage. Non-OTR coaches used a manual fixed belt tensioner I think. The R12 label suggests the coach may have had OTR because it was always placed over the compressor which would be consistent with the belt tensioner. OTR may have been removed because ducting would have been impossible with the slide along with the fact the structural changes for the slide may have made the condenser bay impossible.
Bottom line, nice looking coach, but I seriously doubt it started life as a Liberty. It has been nicely redone but the guts of it suggest strongly it was done originally by a converter other than Liberty. At the time there was Liberty, Marathon, Country Coach, Pacific (now Vision), Angola, American and Hoffman. Prevost had not been into the entertainer market at that time so I doubt its life started as an entertainer.
The question is why represent it as a Liberty?
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“The question is why represent it as a Liberty?“
Because Liberty’s are better and maybe the seller can get a much higher price?
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The seller is probably clueless as the Liberty badge was on the back when he paid for a Liberty when he bought it.
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It seems to share a lot with my 93 angola. The generator location (second bay drivers side) is correct and the slide looks to be the same.
The back-up camera housing is the same complete with large headlight for night time use.
The shower surround is the same and the bath layout on the passenger wall is the same drawer/closet configuration.
The bed orientation is the same and the back cabinet lower half is the same configuration including radio and lighting controls. The rear closet layout is different.
The cabinet finish is completely different as is the dash layout, consol to the right of the driver seat, and ceiling finish.
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I think it’s at least part Angola. That tiny white rocker
switch with the green indicator light beside the driver’s left knee is identical
the one on my 88 Angola.Joe, does your coach have a right side slide? Does it work
well. Any down sides, lost bay space, wind noise water leaks or anything like
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Angola coaches of that vintage were very nice. Why the coach is listed as a Liberty suggests to me the coach has a damage history and the rear doors were pulled from a Liberty and it was easier to call it a Liberty rather than remove the plaque and fill the holes and rebuff the stainless.
Whether the seller knows the history or not really doesn’t matter because it is up to the buyer to do the inspection and verify the condition.
I really believe that coach started life as an OTR coach but the only way anyone will really know what it was is to take a close look at it. If you look at the drivers side view the third bay shows the intake vent in the door, plus the lack of a handle on that bay (same with the other side) is consistent with OTR equipped coaches.
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That is definitely not a Country Coach and I doubt it is a ’91. It looks like a conglomeration of different buses, and quite possibly a home built. Seems to be very nicely done if it is.
I had a ’90 CC on ’89 chassis. There was no CC layout like that in that era. Even if there was, the woodwork, especially around the windows, is far too clunky to be CC. Country Coach cabinetry of that era was awesome.
I also doubt that is a ’91. The high mount front turn signals were not used by Prevost after the ’80s, so I think this is an earlier chassis with a headlight upgrade. However, the front marker lights integrated into the top of the cap are more like a mid-90’s Prevost.
My ’90 CC on ’89 Chassis with updated headlights. No turn signals under the windshield. Note external marker lights.
From Ebay, high mount turn signals and integrated marker lights:
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The early DDEC coaches had the square tail lights and the square high mounted turn signals. Prior to that they were round, and the introduction of DDEC engines was when the square lights came into being in late 1987.
It was at a later date, sometime in the early 90’s when Prevost changed the quad sealed beam lights to the Ford style shown on that coach.
When owners saw the “new” style headlights everybody had to have them so a lot of coaches got the new headlights to replace the quad sealed beam (which were way better) along with the stacked rectangular tail lights. Because paint work was required if the change included the elimination of the square turn signal lights most of the coaches had the change bu left the square front turn signals.
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Joe, does your coach have a right side slide? Does it work
well. Any down sides, lost bay space, wind noise water leaks or anything like
that?
Ken, No – my 93 is slideless. When I was looking I wanted 40ft no slide and simple.
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Didn’t the Vin # have a “J” in it, which would indicate a build year of 1988?
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This is what the eBay seller says.
“everything I know about the coach says it’s a liberty but honestly I bought what I saw in person and wasn’t as much concerned with who built it. It is definitely not a home made bus conversion”
Davy
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