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Gone Crazy,

Help by putting your coach info in the signature line so we can know the year and model coach. We give this advice to all members so answers can be specific.

Liberty owners know an Elegant Lady and a Classic Liberty will have two different answers.

If you have a Classic (12V house) the fuses or circuit breakers are on the LH sidewall on the second bay, driver’s side. If you have an Elegant Lady (24V) the answer is not as simple. Refer to the Liberty owner’s manual for circuit numbers for the master swtich. If you do not have one give Liberty a call. Once you know the circuit number(s) check the fuse(s). If the fuses are OK the issue may be related to a relay on the Allen-Bradley system. There is a bank of green colored relays along the rear wall. They are inexpensive and easy to replace. Again the Liberty manual will provide you with info on the circuit or relay number that might be the problem. You can buy the relays inexpensively on the internet or get them from Liberty.

If I had my 97 coach I would have the info, but perhaps someone else with that vintage can steer you into the right circuit numbers to check. My guess is a fuse or relay.

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I assume I have a Classic then. There is a fuse panel in the second bay back on the drivers side. And the inverters , Generator start switch , Generator Battery. I looked at all of those 12V fuses yesterday but did not see any blown. But without pulling the proper one and inspecting I could have missed it. Where can I get the list of what each fuse goes to ?

Thanks,

Rocky Lane

[Charles]

The Liberty owners manual has wire numbers which correspond with the fuse or circuit breaker numbers.

But there are two other ways to check fuses. Just use the ohmeter set to audible and go right down the stack of fuses to see which if any are open. Or pull the switch and see what numbers are on the wires to the switch and then seek out that number on the wires going into the fuse terminal strip.

My guess is if you have a problem with the master switch not lighting the lights, you probably have a relay that might be involved with the problem, but that is only a guess. Give Liberty a call. They are very helpful and they can answer your questions.

[JIM]

Rocky,

My coach is a couple of years older than yours but may be similar in many ways.

I’m not at the coach until later today when I will look up the circuit numbers for your lights.

But first, there are two master switches by the passenger seat/entry door location. One is for the general lighting in the coach and the other is for the Tivoli lights. The under counter edge and table as well as ceiling flexible tube lights are known as Tivoli lights in my coach. Are you sure you haven’t inadvertantly pushed the wrong one?

If you can confirm that one switch works and the other doesn’t, then you probably are looking at a relay problem. Each of the switches controls a relay in the separate circuit.

Anyway, while you are checking that out, I will get the circuit numbers from my wiring diagrams

[JIM]

Rocky,

Ok, my Liberty owners manual shows the ceiling lights are powered through the 12 volt Master Panel, have two 20 amp fuses and are labeled circuits #27 and #28.

If you need to chase down the master switches, you will find them in the Mid 12 volt Panel. The Lighting Master is labelled LM the Tivoli Master is labelled TM.

Hope this helps.

[Bob]

The light master and or tivolimaster may need to be turned on if the house master was accidentally pushed.

Also all your bulbs not lighting could be coincidentally burned out.

JIM

[Richard]

Yes , I have the same 2 switches beside the door. And the Tivoli switch works , And the Master used to work , ? I have had the ceiling lights to come on for a few seconds then go back off in the last couple of days.

[Robert]

This is where internet diagnosis fails.

When you say they come on and then go off does that mean without any intervention by you, or does that mean when you actuate the switch?

If you have an automatic resetable circuit breaker I could understand that happening. I could envision a bad relay perhaps doing that. It could be a loose connection at the switch. One thing is for sure. Things that are broken do not repair themselves and electric devices that act contrary to normal behavior are particularly troublesome because of the potential for a fire. Until that is sorted out I would be very sure when the coach is unattended the circuit in question, or perhaps the entire coach gets the electric turned off. Just be sure to shut it down properly because inverters and the watchdog require a specific sequence of actions.

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Jon,

They have come on a couple of times breifly without any help from Me. We had changed out the 6 speakers up front over the Couch that day. Might be possible that the speaker wires were entangled with the living room / ceiling lights ?

What is the proper sequence for shutdown of the inverters, Etc ?

Thanks,

Rocky

[Greg]

Just as a general rule, anytime I work on something, and a device or component that used to work no longer works the first thing I do is try to figure out what I did to make it not work. I don’t put much credence in coincidences believing I did something more strongly than believing it failed by itself. Without knowing how your master switch works within the circuit I have no guess as to what could have contributed to a failure when working on speakers.

If the lights come on by themselves there is a loose or near broken connection and nothing has a higher risk of fire than that. On the forum recently were pictures of what loose electrical connections can do. Be very careful.

As to shutting down your converters, I do not know the specific procedure but generally the steps take require that the inverters get shut down using the switch on the remote panel, followed by turning off 120 volt power to the inverters, then turning off the battery master switches. There may be other devices that have a specific shut down procedure also that should be used prior to turning off battery master switches. On my coach the Watchdog (for the generator) has a specific procedure.

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I found the problem with My Ceiling Lights yesterday. The Rocker Master Switch by the entry door was the Culprit. I pulled it out of the wall to check the Voltage. And they started working. So I have a Rocker switch possibly going out ? Or had a bad connection ?

Note to Self : Sellf , Get a few spare Rocker Switches !!!