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Any experience w/ Kyle bordur renovations
Has anyone ever worked with Kyle bordur of coach leasing Arizona to perform Rv class a prevost renovations. .. ?? Any experience with him?…??
thanks. Dr. Gary.
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I have no experience with bordurcoach, but have seen several youtube videos where Andrew Steele interviews him.
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Steele doesn’t know the difference between a Bus and a Bulldozer.
Later
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Watch his by lines for his You tube and it is typical commerical not factual each one is this is the best, Never gives real rating. He even criticized the XLII for sides are going to fall off in a videio.
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I have nothing against Andrew Steele. However, he has not owned a Prevost. HE certainly gets to ride and/or drive around in plenty on 5 to 15 minutes road trips for certain sellers. However, Bordur seems to have a good reputation, albeit, a very expensive one, for remodels. First example I have from Bordur is a question regarding the cost of laying hardwood/engineered wood flooring in the galley with a estimated price of $10,000.
His remodel of a Hoffman was nice, but it was his personal coach, too. Happy wife, happy life!
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First, let me say Andrew is a work in progress. He is probably selling as many Prevost’s and Newell’s for other people as anyone through his youtube channel. The fact he has never owned a Prevost does not prevent him from being successful at what he does.
So on to Kyle. My wife and I have a winter home in Tucson so we talked with Kyle and took our 02 Liberty out of storage and on to San Tan Valley about 90 minutes north of us. I was really surprised at what he is doing with a little 5 acre farm. I don’t know of anyone that would have two series 60’s on mobile supports waiting to be installed at the same time he is doing minor to complete remodels all in the same space. He started leasing his own fleet to rock bands so he knows what it takes to keep them on the road. Covid put a temporary stop to that so he dove into the remod business with a vengeance .
I needed some mechanical work so he started with upper and lower A arms, 365 upgrade, fixed my OTR so it actually cools (even in Az), new frig, recovered front seats and sofa. New tile from front to back and other things I have forgotten. I found him easy to work with and helpful anytime I call. Here is the Liberty:
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Wave,
Hope you don’t mind me asking, what was your reason(s) for the 365 upgrade? Was there any difference in the ride or handling after the 365 upgrade? Thanks!
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The front of the Prevost is operating nearer capacity with 315’s. At a given inflation the 365 offers about 2,000 lbs increased weight load ability vs the smaller tire. Tire specs enclosed. I do think it is a better ride as well.
wave
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I would kill to have 315 tires in place of 365. I likely am in the minority but unless or until someone has an on road issue with 365 tires, and finds none are readily available they will not fully appreciate my feelings.
Unfortunately XLII coaches with axle weight approaching or in excess of 18,000 pounds forces the use of 365 tires because a 315 has a max load of 9000 pounds. The 365 tires may be a smoother ride but the noise level from bumps and expansion joints is greater than that of a 315.
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As I stated previously, I have no issue with Andrew Steele. He is hustling to make a living after selling his detailing business.
You are correct that it does not matter that he has not owned a Prevost, or a Newell, But it does matter that he not only backs up the claims he makes in his video, e.g. $50,000 experience on XL II’s – an issue Prevost does not tell you about ( or something like that title from his video). This forum, and other Prevost forum’s have helped greatly to get that story right.
I really liked the Hoffman renovation that Kyle had done. I would not have gone that modern with mine, but what he did, especially that bathroom, was nice.
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You may be right with the 315/365 ride difference. Since my upper and lower A arms were shot and my tire wear caused the need for new steer tires, I went 365 mostly for the weight factor. Since mine is non slide , I think my last weight on front was mid 14,000 but that tile floor added some weight. So I don’t know how much was alignment, new tires and A arms but it rides and drives better now.
Wave
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As to Andrew and Kyle discussing Prevost issues, go to this video ( see photo) and have a look. They discuss the 365 upgrade and delam etc. I don’t hear them saying anything I have not heard from other sources. The guys selling used coaches do a detail job and hope you don’t look further so its always “buyer do your research”. If you buy private it is no different – not so much because of dishonesty but more just lack of knowledge. If you know what to ask they will tell you but you don’t know the proper questions without some help.
I have found older Prevost ownership an expensive pain in the ass to be honest but every time I look at her, I fall in love all over again. It is a bad disease to have. I guess it depends on your resources and ability to suffer irritation as opposed to the good times.
Wave
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There is an inordinate amount of horse manure on the internet, from fakebook to various forums to other internet sites. What is disturbing is it promoted by people with an agenda, and not necessarily actual hands on ownership experience.
To add to the confusion created by half truths and scare stories is a willing inexperienced owner or enthusiast more than willing to repeat myths and old wive’s tales so some BS that gets repeated enough becomes accepted as fact.
Owning a Prevost is not cheap. In fact the cost per mile based on the very limited average annual miles is very expensive when everything including depreciation, insurance, fuel, maintenance and upkeep are all factored in over a multi year period to spread some major costs like tire replacement over a more realistic life span.
Owning a Prevost with skin delam issues because the salesman said there was no problem is a perfect example of the need to never accept a lot of what is presented as fact on the internet. Every owner or buyer seems to only hear or read advice and information they like and to ignore other information because it is disturbing or a signal money is coming out of the wallet. There are so many items that need to be thought of, so many questions that can arise, and so much chance some seemingly inconsequential fact can lead to a lot of expense that everyone needs to be a cynic, or have such deep pockets money is no object.
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Don’t know Kyle, have just followed what he’s been up to as he pivoted to some renovation work, but if you haven’t seen the video of the County Coach gut remodel he recently completed it’s worth the watch. To me he knocked this one out of the park.
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360 – For some reason, have never enjoyed watching youtube videos, yet this one was impressive. THANK YOU for sharing, glad I watched it.
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