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Air Force braking system
like to have some feed back on Air Force braking system.
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22 Replies
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Hey sid
we have it and like it a lot
quixk and easy
Bill
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Sid,
Had it installed in Spring of 2007 at rally in Sevierville, TN. If I recall 17 others did the same. It is still pumping my toads brakes in proportion to the coach brake application. They stand behind their product with excellent customer service.
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Not on a Prevost, but been using the Air Force System for many years, never had a problem. Love the system…
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Sid,
We also have the SMI Air Force One supplemental braking system. I had it on the previous ‘toad’ and now on the current one.
On our very first tow vehicle, we had the M & G system but when we bought the second tow vehicle, it was easier to install the SMI. (now the third tow vehicle has SMI).
My understanding of the difference between the two systems, is that the M & G has a pump on the master brake cylinder whereas the SMI has a hook that is put through the firewall that attaches to the brake pedal arm.
Safe travels,
Mark
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I’ve installed my own M & G on various toads and there is no pump unless that’s something new. M & G goes between the master cylinder and vacuum booster, no cables, no wires, no air tank, nothing but the airline. It’s a great system and well made.
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Tom,
I certainly stand corrected as I didn’t install the system myself. I do recall on the ’07 Honda CR-V, near the firewall just under the windshield was a 2″ x 10″ cylinder that was part of the M & G system.
Mark
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Thanks for all the feed back. Going to have one installed on my Ford 150 in the morning. Having it installed here in Coburg,Oregon by Hitch Pro and Tow.
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No problem Mark, in my opinion the M & G is superior to AF1 due to the fact there are no external components.
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That’s slick!
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Sid,
Hitch Tow and Pro are the folks who installed our M & G on the ’07 Honda along with the Blue Ox base plate, etc.
Great people and excellent install.
Mark
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I have always wonder how good these units are since they work on power braking that needs the motor running to do its best. Try braking the car with and without the motor running and you will see what I am talking about. I have M&G on my Excursion.
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There is a few more parts to the M&G if you’re doing the breakaway and the light that shows you that the brake is engaging. A little air tank and a norgren type valve.
I put it on my jeep and I think it’s really great.
The Airforce has a vacuum pump that you cut into the vacuum line to make the booster work when the car is off. It should work as good as if the car is running.
I’m not 100% sure what engages the brakes on the toad with the Air Force… but with the M&G it’s only when you touch the brake pedal. So if you’re Jake/Retardering down a hill, the toad’s brakes are not engaging. Which, I think, is what you’d want to have happen.
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OK, a long time ago when I was looking for a supplemental braking system for my toad, a 2003 Dodge Ram 4X4 with the 5.7 liter (348 CI) the M&G website specifically stated there was insufficient room available to install an M&G. So first action would be to look on the M&G website for your specific toad. So I then found and looked at the AF1 system. Yes it does have a link to the brake pedal and the only thing I lost was the feature that allowed the brake pedal to be moved closer or farther away from the driver. At 6′ 4″ I never found that to be a useful feature for me or the wife. So the feature was disabled from use. If not disabled and someone else knew about the feature got in and moved the brake pedal toward them at the same time they would be applying the foot brake. Not good.
As I said earlier, I am very pleased with the 10 years and 6 months that it has been in constant use. One part of our pre-trip includes applying the coach brakes while the co-pilot observes the toad brake pedal movement. This is easy to accomplish during the coach brake check when applying repeated brake application to check operation of the service brake activation.
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Well after another 1,000 mile trip with new Air Force 1 system To be honest with ya all can’t tell any difference at all. The only thing it gives me peace of mind that I’m legal in case there’s a problem. I’m towing a Ford 150. Thanks for all the replies.
Sid Tuls
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Does anyone have the new M&G 2 toad brake installed? It connects through the firewall to the brake pedal unlike the M&G on the Wrangler. We may buy a new Grand Cherokee and the M&G 2 fits the Grand Cherokee. What about M&G 2 vs SMI Air Force One?
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