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2001 Liberty Classic Forward outlets dead
Picked up my coach at Prevost Ft. Worth Sunday after having passenger side rear glass 2nd from rear replaced, on which they did a fine job. Tried to raise front blinds, got no movement. Worked fine when left the coach there and while it was there, I stopped by and fixed a front blind that had a broken “string” over the weekend while it was parked there waiting for the glass to come in and blinds worked fine before and after my job. Checked front outlets, dead. Flipped switch at main control panel several times, green light comes on but still dead. Rear outlets work fine. Everything else electrical in coach works fine. Same result on shore power, generator, or inverter. Both sides of panel show normal 115 or so voltage. Tried the GFCI in bathroom, was not tripped. Maybe there is another GFCI somewhere?
Remember when buying coach was advised the Classic has “simple to work on” relays, breaker, etc. Tried searching for Liberty Coach wiring diagrams, no luck. Can find Prevost wiring diagrams, but my affected areas are converter added electrics.
I presume the switch in the control panel controls a relay somewhere that powers the forward outlets circuit? Also there is a circuit breaker somewhere? Where are these two items and where might I find a wiring diagram for my coach?
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On my coach there is an GFI outlet hung upside down in the galley below the coffee maker/paper towel holder. If that gets tripped the front outlets wont work. You wouldnt know it was there unless you get down and stick you head between the counter and the underside of the cabinetry.
Hope that helps!
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Yes look for that EFI under the kitchen cabinet. Mine did the same thing and that was it
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David wrote: “I presume the switch in the control panel controls a relay somewhere that powers the forward outlets circuit?”
If the “control panel” is what I think you’re referring to (has the readouts for the inverters, might have control(s) for one or more of the Cruise-Airs, and lots of switches for various circuits), those “switches” are in fact circuit breakers.
Hopefully by now you’ve found the offending GFCI under the upper cabinets.
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I agree, GFCI tripped somewhere, used to have the same problem on my 01 Classic.
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Thanks all for the replies. I’ll get to the coach this Friday evening and check for the GFCI under the cabinets. Makes sense that is what it is. I think the outside outlets/bay outlets are on that forward outlets circuit and we had lots of hard rain recently plus they water tested the window replacement job so the pressurized spray could have worked into some outlet somwhere on the coach exterior and tripped the GFCI. We used to have a GFCI outlet on our back porch in MI that would trip if it rained really hard.
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The bay (outside) outlets are on a separate circuit. I agree with the previous replies and the oultet is likely out of your line of sight under the microwave.
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David, Here’s my understanding of how the blinds work(ON MY LIBERTY)
My front electric blinds operate via 110v and 12v. The 110v part is controlled by the switch in the main electrical cabinet labeled “fwd outlets” by way of inverter #2, it has to be on and working. This circuit feeds a 110v to 12v converter that is buried in the front overhead tv/video/etc cabinets. It sends 12v to the little 12v electic motors in the blinds.
On my bus to reset a GFCI it has to have 110v power to it or it won’t reset. My bus has 3 GFCIs: fwd, aft, & exterior. My fwd GFCI is in the kithen area. My aft is in the bathroom, and my exterior is on the roof of the #1 curbside bay.
When I bought my bus I also wanted schematics for Liberty’s part. Boy did Bill & Troy both laugh their ars off at me. Evidenty IT’S TOP SECRET! This is what keeps me and you and the rest of the converters from copying their electrical system. But, if you have a Liberty owners manual( cha ching$ right Rocky?) they have a lot of circuit info in the back of it. I looked twice n my owners manual and I couldn’t find anything about the front electric blinds? sorry
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You are right Don ! I suspect that Liberty supplies mobile housing units to a very select group of Gubment black ops high level secret agents. That roam the country under the radar to help keep this country safe. Of course when the new coach’s they use get a little age on them. They are sold off to the general public. Certain top secret communication components have to be removed of course. Leaving several fuses missing and certain termination lugs vacant. That were obviously used before. Only the top escelon that receive a Liberty are lucky enough to get one with a rose petal dispenser. Big brother is watching……………
Safe travels,
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Lately I have made some critical comments about Liberty (black front shades, aluminum tanks) but while it would be nice to have all the wiring diagrams, pneumatic diagrams and maybe even access to the inner secrets of some components like the Watchdog I cannot disagree with their posture on retaining control of some information. I know others will disagree but some history knowledge is important.
In the early 90’s Liberty among others made great conversions. They were respected and the coaches were the result of a lot of design work, trial and error, and customer feedback. I think it was in 1992 FMCA magazine had a feature article about the then new Vantare conversion and the new Vantare company started by Mike Guth. Within the article Mike explained how he and his wife bought a new Liberty coach and used it for a year reverse engineering it. He bragged about how he dissected every feature of the Liberty and made it better, lighter, etc. and how the new Vantare coach was going to possess the yacht quality of his former company, Vantare Yachts.
Let there be no doubt that did not sit very well with Liberty.
A couple of years later Harvey Mitchell, who was one of Liberty Coaches dealers, had an opportunity to buy Vogue Coach in Oklahoma. Vogue only made conventional RVs, but began converting Prevost coaches. I am not certain of the specs or the details of the Vogue conversions, but one thing was obvious from the start and that was that Vogue emulated the exact shape of the Liberty logo (that continues to today) for the Vogue conversion coaches. That logo placed where the Liberty logo is placed would easily deceive someone into believing the Vogue and Liberty were from the same family of coaches.
I believe both the Vantare and Vogue coaches were good coaches, but both “stole” ideas or some designs from Liberty and once that happened Liberty stopped sharing construction details with owners. I owned a Liberty coach since prior to the Vantare article and can say when I asked for wiring diagrams for my first coach they were provided. After that none were provided except the circuits were listed in the owner’s manual. Any time I had a question regarding anything on my Liberty coaches however they never hesitated to provide the answers.
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David, I popped my fwd GFCI and the front area blinds still worked fine
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Coach designs and systems evolve. What may be a design feature for a great number of conversions can be changed by the converter any time. I have seen coaches just a few build numbers prior to or after my coach with changes compared to mine. This applies to the shell also.
With older coaches especially there is also a great change a previous owner may have had some changes made to the original coach.
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Stopped at storage on the way from work to home today. The GFCI above the cooktop was indeed tripped. Pushed the reset button and all is well again, blinds work and the forward outlets are alive again.
Thanks again to all who offered help.
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