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Looking for XL40 with Series 60
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Most of the Prevosts we’ve looked at use the Microflush toilet, which we used to have in our coach. The Microflush toilet does not use much water at all, and water level is adjustable. However that toilet is no longer made, and while a guy by the the name of Ed Mullaney has spare parts for the toilet, some parts are not quite up to par. The replacement toilet seal was a bit too thick, an prevented the flapper valve from closing properly, leading to the standing water leaking, and smell in the coach.
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Ed passed away a few years ago, but his family continues with the business and they are the only game in town.
Toilet’s depend on Converter, Microphor air or electric or Headhunter for the most part.
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Per,
Thank you for the insight on the Microflush toilets.
Jon, Gil,
I read a couple of your articles and must say thank you very much for taking the time to publish them! I’m now going to “try” to force Shanna to read a couple of them.
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Kurt, I would urge you to not focus on a single type use for your coach for two reasons. First, most coaches are used in a variety of applications ranging from boondocking to RV resorts with all services and everything in between. The second reason is there is not a professional conversion made that was designed with a single use in mind. All our coaches are a compromise in every respect. They do all things but not any one thing especially well.
If you plan on a lot of dry camping recognize that if you do that where it is hot you are either going to run your generator or do without air conditioning. If you are connected to shore power where it is hot you are going to have to manage energy consumption including air conditioning, my point being at either end of the spectrum we owners have to give consideration to how we use our coaches and their systems.
Everything has limits, not only electrical, but tank capacities and space for storage and weight limits.
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What Jon said is spot on. Here are our two favorite places to stay, and they could not possibly be more different:
Brown’s Owens River Campground, Eastern Sierras near Mammoth Lakes, CA. Aside from the trout filled Owens River 15 feet from our door and views of the Sierras, the only amenities are a fire pit and picnic table:
Outdoor Resorts or Motor Coach Country Club, Indio, CA. nuf said, right?:
However, if you can boondock in comfort, it is pretty certain that you will be comfortable in a luxury resort. As you note, large holding tanks are needed for the primative places, but I believe that all modern conversions will have those. You may want to avoid the high luxury conversions which have air operated interior doors, electrically operated blinds, Crestron control of everthing, etc., unless you are willing to tolerate more generator run time. Also be aware of whether all windows have awnings, how many windows open and how far, and whether screens are or can be installed. Some coverters expect users to run the a/c 24-7 and don’t bother to install many windows that open. We boondockers who live without a/c appreciate operable windows with screens. One of the most useful options for boondockers I’ve found is a bedroom ceiling fan. Having one allows comfortable sleeping in (relatively) warm environments even when the a/c isn’t on. I’m sure they can be added to any bus without too much trouble. None of these features interfere with our enjoyment of MCCC.
Good luck with your search!
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Jon and Bryan,
Thank you for the advice. When I look back over the last couple years, we have probably only dry camped four times for five days or less each. Sounds like with generator time, any of these will work.
Question on AC systems. Sleeping (when parked) in our current unit, the ducted AC is rather loud with the airflow quite concentrated. Are the late 90’s vintage conversion roof ACs just as loud? Would the Cruise Airs be considerably more quite/more comfortable than the roof ACs? I learned from a PC article the Cruise Airs are less desireable for traveling on hot roads (where I live).
Thanks,
Kurt
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Kurt , I dry camp a lot and have had both the cruiser airs and roof air , cruise airs much less noise than roof airs but cruise airs not good to use going down the road, this is my fourth coach and the Royale by far was the best dry camping bus , liberty is the worst , when dry camping just my two cents after 30 years and 40 weeks a year living in the bus for touring for work
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Peter, just curious, why is Liberty the worst?
With the battery capacity that we have and the huge generator, I would think dry camping would be a breeze. Obviously, we wont’ be dry camping much (Prevost seminar at ETLC in Oct.), but will at the seminar.
Safe travels,
Mark
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Mark mine maybe a lot different than yours but the liberty draws a lot of power more loads that are on all the time just more power draw than the Royale no tv or fridge outside no other power draws at night Liberty about 12 hours dry camping and the Royale about 18 to 20 before I have to run the gen ,Batteries,, liberty 3 to 4 8Ds Royale 5 to 6 8Ds. Mark with the gen on it does not matter where you camp but the Royale I had to use the gen less than the liberty ,I use it more on the liberty
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Kurt,
One of the reasons we are looking to buy a Prevost conversion is the much quieter AC systems. We have been in several Prevosts, and the AC sytems are significantly quieter than ours. The quietest of all are the CruiseAirs. While on low, you can hardly hear the fan at all. The roof ACs were also quieter than ours even with roof ACs–one of the reasons for this is the Marathons we looked at had the ACs wired through the same controls used for CruiseAirs, which allowed for a five-speed control of the fan–on low they were very quiet. One Featherlite we looked at used the same controller we have–a three-speed unit that does not slow the fan speed not as much, and it had no duct work at all–just blowing straight down from the AC unit. It was not quiet at all.
Another reason we like about the Prevosts are the quiet generators–significantly quieter than our generator, and also quieter than newer CCs with Onan quiet generators. The Marathon salesman at the factory bragged about how at a special event, Marathon was the only coach allowed to run their generator due to their superior sound insulation. The coach we looked at at the factory in Oregon had exhaust for the generator anf the AquaHot coming out the back, and I had to put my hand behind the exhaust pipes to see which one was for the running generator. About as quiet as you can get! -
This is just an opinion but I believe Liberty and Vantare likely have the quietest generator set ups, with the Elegant Lady especially so because of the use of a dedicated door instead of the bay door like the Vantare.
Cruise airs are by far the quietest A/C units, but if you do not have OTR get a coach with roof airs.
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“…but if you do not have OTR get a coach with roof airs.”
Why … based on Peter’s comments that Cruiseairs don’t cool as well going down the road?
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Jon, the Vantare not only has a dedicated door, but a complete seperate enclosure. Geo.
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You guys are wonderful (in a purely technical way of course)!
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The heat off the road is hot and the cruise airs don’t work well going down the road, they can shut down going down the road because not enough cool air getting to them, would not have them unless I had OTR air and heat
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