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Liberty vs Millennium
Some opinions please on Liberty vs Millennium H345. Do we have many Millennium owners on site? Any info will be appreciated.
Bill Cleverdon
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17 Replies
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Each have their good points. I have looked at both, and currently have a 2011 Liberty “H”. Your best bet would be to look at them both, and then you can decide. I am sure everyone has an opinion, but you are the one that would need to see if you agree with them.
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Mr. Bill,
When we were looking at building a new coach, I made comparisons of Liberty, Marathon and Millennium.
One thing that I like about the Liberty is that the generator radiator is mid-ship which keeps the radiator clean. Marathon puts the radiator at the front grill, Millennium puts their’s on the roof. (unless things have changed).
Marathon would not put in a macerator and stopped putting in a co-pilot monitor (told to me by the salesman). Liberty installs both of those items which we wanted.
Also, I was intriged by Lithium Ion battery technology that Liberty uses 100% on all of their coaches.
I also liked the chrome accents that Liberty uses around the coach and their patented LED exterior lighting that has a dimming feature (the lights mid height around the coach).
Look at them all and see what works for you.
Good luck,
Mark
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Bill,
As a Liberty owner you are already somewhat familiar with their conversions. But you would be stepping into a whole different coach because from your model year both the chassis and the conversions have changed significantly. While you will not be starting from the beginning as a new owner, you should be prepared for a lot that is new and different.
I think you should visit both converters and see what each has to offer.Allow a lot of time at each, and really get into seeing and using the features. A walk through will not be enough for a good comparison.
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As usual good advice Jon. I am considering ’08 models. I understand the radiator for the generator and the exhaust pipe is on the roof of the Millennium and wondered if anyone has had good or bad experience with these.
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Bill are you looking for an XLII or H3.
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Looking for and H3 Jack.
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My Legendary had the generator radiator on the roof. I had no issues with that. The exhaust exited at the rear of the coach.
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Thanks Bill
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Jack, I assumne you have an 07 chassis. What polution devises do you have that an 06 would not have.
Thanks , Bill
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None. Same EGR system Bill.
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The DDEC5 does have the EGR but it can be deleted easily.
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I thought all 2007 chassis’s had to have the DPF (diesel particulate filter). Our 2008 Monaco Dynasty with a 2007 chassis had the DPF.
Mark
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Mark you are partially correct, my 2008 H (2007 shell) has the DPF filter. I think it was a mid year change for Prevost. I have seen more 08 conversions (2007 chassis) with the exhaust coming out of the rear behind the drivers side tire than I have seen come out the roof. It must have been a later 2007 chassis change.
Bill S.
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After taking each advice into consideration we spent a day at Millenium looking at a nice 08 coach.
When you first walk in the bus one can not help but notice that the wall treatment is the same from front to back, my wife was disappointed in this. Also it just did not seem that the Millenium was as well built as our 06 Liberty.
We then spent 3 days looking at Libertys in Stuart. Found 3 coaches to our liking,07,08,and 09. The 07 had most things that we thought we wanted and it was more in line with what we wanted to spend. We felt more confortable sticking with a Liberty. We are looking forward to learning all about and H345 and feel it will meet our needs.
Again thanks for all the helpful comments.
Bill
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Having owned a 97 LIberty XL and now a n 04 Marathon XLII, I do have a few quick comparisions:
Liberty Cruise Air units use a lot of power and in the desert southwest, may not work at all. They take intake air from the hot pavement which causes the units to go into overpressure, frequently. This only happens when the temperature is over 100, but then that’s when you need it most. The Marathon uses standard rooftop units which are cheaper, easier to repair, and very reliable. They are a bit noisier than the Cruise Airs. Another Liberty downfal is that they put return air filters in impossible places. I had one which was located behind the refrigerator and when I cleaned it, the unit to which it was attached locked up and needed a compressor replacement – go figure.
I like the liberty waste water system and single tank setup. It’s nice and easy. Remote dump is also possible from the driver’s seat. I never used my macerator in the Liberty because it was broken and fixing it would have required a lot of disassembly of the water bay. It was not designed for service. The sewer connections on the Liberty use the Thetford connector, which is not as widely available as the common type used on all other RV’s. The Marathon uses the standard hose connectors which are avalable everywhere. The Marathon has separate gray/black tanks as required by Oregon law. This, combined with the air flapper toilet means that you have sewer gas in coming in during a flush. This never happened on the Liberty as it had a headhunter toilet that never exposed tank gasses to the interior. Marathon’s dual water heater system seems superior to the LIberty single water heater. One heater feeds the other in the Marathon and it seems to be better suited for use by two people.
Marathon has a trap door that is air actuated that opens up under the coach to dispense the sewer hose and power cord. This is a perfect solution to a non-problem and oddly, Marathon is quite proud of it. In reality, however, it is way too complex and mine has already failed twice. The sewer pipe retracts back into the coach by the use of vaccum. The slightest prick in the hose or air leak on the hose cap renders this system inoperable. The Liberty has a regular (Thetford) connector which drops down a bit too low under the bottom rail. I struck a curb once in front of an elementary school and the connector and valve broke off, dumping the entire contents onto the driveway of the school.
I loved the bus air on the liberty and wasn’t sure I could live without it. Well, I could and I did. The marathon lets us run one or two air conditioners off of the inverters and we also have dash (driver) air. Works fine, even in the desert.
Liberty has a tank alarm that sounds when the waste tank is full. Marathon just assumes that you’ll know. Not as good, IMHO. We had an issue where a faucet had been left on in the water closet and while driving down the highway, my wife noticed water sloshing ot of the shower. The grey tank overflowed into the coach. A tank alarm would have been nice.
Both Liberty and Marathon have excellent craftsmanship. I could honestly be happy with either one.
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