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Desl-Shok- I’m a Believer
OK,
I know I’m going to hear a lot of crap over this one, but I’ve tried
it and it works. Desl-ShokWhile
at Parliament’s open house, USA fuel put on a demo about their
product and were checking and polishing fuel for 2 or 3 days. The
product was endorsed by Rick, Ben and Ken, they have had great
results, so I decided to give it a try. I was very skeptical, as I
view most of the additives as snake oil.I
double treated my fuel when leaving Clearwater and now have 892 miles
on that tank. I won’t make any claim to mileage as that can only be
done over many more miles and I will be doing that. Here’s a few
facts that I can tell you, the results are amazing:[]
On acceleration, the puff of smoke is gone, I can’t see any in the
mirror.[]
My generator has stopped the surging that I was having trouble with,
it ran 3 hours fully loaded, 4 A/C’s, water heater and
all normal AC loads.[]
I ran the Webasto about 10 -12 hours during the cold snap and had no
black soot on the painted site pad. While at the Pelican
RV show, most of the coaches had big spots of black soot from the
Webasto’s and other diesel heaters.So
I’m a believer, take your shots, but this stuff works….. -
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having bought the snake oil, too … 🙂
I have been watching the same demo at the Parliament rally and have since stood nearby when several other coaches were done, while Father Rick gave his sermon demoing the before and after fuel samples.
Halleluja, I was hooked.
A real life test result was my generator. I have not been using it much and when I tried using it on January 1st (and not again since then until today), it was belching out black smoke for a couple of minutes. It also ran very rough at the time.
After having had my fuel polished and the additive added, no more smoke at all. Not from the engine and not from the generator. Today, we left Parliament and drove down to Fort Myers. Generator running all the way. No problems.
I cannot say anything about mileage, either. I will have to take notes for the next couple of months to determine whether there is any improvement.
In closing, may I say that Tom did not pay me nothing for writing this in support of his post. He mumbled something about getting a free PC license plate but you know how old man are, they talk a lot.
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It is impossible to make accurate claims about mileage unless and until you have 8 or 10 refuelings. I know that from having recorded every gallon I have ever put into my coaches ever since I have owned one. I still have the records.
However there are other clues that something is happening based on the visual things that were mentioned. I would very much like to hear if there is an improvement, but unless you have a base line for mileage prior to treating the fuel, any reported results after the fuel treatment are out of context.
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Just for grins I played with some numbers. The claim is a fuel savings of 10 to 15%.
Assume the refueling requires 160 gallons (because that is a multiple of the one ounce per 10 gallons they list and it is available in quantities of 8, 32, or 128 ounces) . At $22.50 for 16 ounces, based on the 32 ounce price, if the fuel mileage increases by just 10% there is a net savings of about $220 each time you refuel and use Desl-Shock.
That is based on approximate fuel prices of $2.80 a gallon. The savings are more if fuel increases n price, less if it decreases.
However I have been doing things to my engine to reduce fuel consumption and I can say confidently a 10% savings is difficult to achieve. I’m not saying it cannot be done, but it isn’t easy. My mileage is up from the 5.9 MPG baseline to 6.2. I am evaluating another change and it might even be better than that but I don’t have enough miles and gallons yet to say for sure. With each change made I am looking at potential improvements in mileage in tenths of a MPG. Right now I am getting claims from a company that a device they sell will improve my mileage by 10 to 35%. From what I can determine its cost is $3600, but I can have it for $1800. So in about 9 years I might break even. Right now Desl-Shock looks like a real good deal.
I just have to get past the sense that claims of improvements to mileage are fertilizer for my garden.
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Does Detroit reccomend this additive will it void any warrenty you might have, does it make the fuel burn a a higher temp, and is it possible to burn out an injector, I would have to see more results, course thats just me it may be a desiel fountain of youth I don,t know will wait and see. Fary
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but it is an additional result of having and burning water-free clean fuel.
The fame to claim is that this additive removes all of the water in your fuel tank. I have been told that every time when you fuel up at a gas station, you add between 1% and 4% of water. The severity is also regionally and time of year influenced.
This water can cause damage to your engine when there is too much of it present.
All of the traditional additives contain alcohol and that is even worth.
Anyway, I am not an expert and being mechanically handicapped on top of it, I have to rely on what the expert tell me and, more important, seeing the visual proof.
Father Rick has many fuel samples of the before and after treatment kind and some of those samples were shocking to look at. In both senses. The fuel condition of the before treatment and the condition of the fuel after it was treated.
One of the coaches treated at Parliament contains several gallons of water in the fuel tank.
Anyway, this is one of those things, where you have to see how it works and decide if the money spent for treatment ($600 for the fuel polishing and additive, in my case) is worth it for the long run. The fuel cleaning needs to be done once only. You maintain the status by adding the additive with subsquent fuelups.
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Our coaches for the most part trap water before it enters the engine. Everyone with a well maintained set of fuel filters is trapping water. It is gravity separation.
There might be some water entrained in the fuel. But it is a very small amount and it does not harm until the volume gets relatively large. Some vehicles and engines have used water injection to control certain combustion characteristics such as the early to mid sixties Olds Cutlass (I think) with the turbo. So water is not the villian people selling stuff would like to characterize it to be. It is excess water that is the villian.
I can understand if a coach sits a long time how water enters the tank. As temperatures rise and fall the vented tank beathes and the humidity in the air condenses. Over time water accumulates. Regular use minimizes that to a great extent and regular use also tends to purge the tank of the condensate. The fuel filters trap that which has not been absorbed by the fuel.
I would want to see independent data.
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1% to 4 % water added at every fill up. That would add up in a hurry I would think. Don’t drain any water out of my Racor Filter or haven’t since I bought Coach in 2011 and check it all the time. Use an additive PM Diesel Kleen but found a product that I used to use years ago on small 2 stroke detroits, 3-53’s and 4-53 engines that ran constantly for days at a time. and never had problem with injectors. Essential Lube by Hyrotext. This low sulfur fuel today scares me with these old engines. Figure you need something to lube upper.
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OK, Tom. I just ordered the 32 oz. bottle. I will let you know.
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Do you have data so when you begin using the additive you have a means by which you can accurately measure the effectiveness?
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you have to start with clean fuel, i.e. do the fuel polishing whcih includes the initial shock treatment and then continue to watch for signs of deterioration. Just pouring the additive into an untreated tank will not do much and you may be wasting a lot of money for nothing.
If you or anyone has questions, give Rick May a call at Parliament. I am sure he will love to tell you all about it!
All I can say is, that I have seen the before fuel samples while being drawn from the tank and the after polishing and treatment samples drawn after the process was complete. There is a very noticeable difference.
Hey, Tom … if we believe what Jon is telling us, then we may have bought snake oil, eh?
🙂
Ronald
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I’m ordering more of this snake oil Ronald and if the Godfather could have seen the demo and then actual fuel/water being removed from active use coaches, he might be ordering also. Any added fuel mileage would be great, but the water being treated not to mention mold has given me positive results.
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are we to understand the correct process to be.
have the current tank of fuel processed, cleaned & treated, removed fuel treated. then every time you take on fuel in the future you add the correct amount of additive for the fuel taken on.
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I’m not calling it snake oil. I know there are additives that provide benefits such as making water hydrophillic as opposed to its normal hydrophobic state so it can be passed harmlessly through the engine.
If those two words are too big for you guys I’ll try to talk slower and use smaller words.
The point is over time we likely do get water in our tanks which will separate from the fuel by gravity because unless something enables the water to mix completely with the fuel the water remains. When it does get stirred up the fuel filters are supposed to trap it. But my concern is twofold.
The first claim is when you start using this additive it provides you with 10 to 15% improved mileage. That comes from the manufacturer’s own web site. Unless and until someone I trust, and it is not the guy selling the stuff, has a documented baseline of data relating to fuel consumption prior to the use of the additive and then a similar large block of data in which the additive is used I am not believing what you think is the mileage improvement. If you apply the sniff test to the claims they fall flat on their face.
The engine manufacturers and large truck fleet operators would kill to get fuel mileage improvements of that magnitude. They would literally save millions upon millions of dollars because the cost of the additive according to my quick and dirty calculations based on today’s low fuel costs show a dollar savings of about $22 for every $22 of additive used. which I based on 160 gallon refills. If the average highway truck thus saves $15 per day in fuel costs each truck in a company’s fleet is going to save the company about $4000 dollars annually in operating costs. If fuel climbs in price above the $2.80 I used in my calculations the savings increases proportionately. So I would expect to see the Detroit Diesel owner’s manual talking about the fuel additive. I would expect the seller of the additive to provide a list of the truck fleets using the additive. and I would expect to see people who want us to use less fuel as a nation demanding its use. I don’t see any of that anywhere.
So which one of you has the baseline data available to properly evaluate the benefits and report back? You all know I have the data for 25 years of coach use. You all know I drive a constant 1500 RPM on the highway. I can prove or refute the claims if you want me to run the tests. I will even encourage the company that wants to sell the additive participate. They can scour my fuel tank, they can verify my data, they can do whatever they want to allow me to prove they are correct. My guess is they will be hiding in the weeds because I cannot get past the sniff test.
As to the second claim about it keeping fuel “clean” I mentioned above the additive might act as a material like dry gas to make water mix freely with fuel, and thus never collect in the tank, but to harmlessly pass through the system. That claim I believe.
Tom…….are you willing to use the riches we collect from dues to pay for this additive and to pay the company selling it to scour my fuel and fuel tank so we can run a test? After Oysterfest I will have my latest benchmark data for the program I have been running on my engine regarding mileage. I can then begin a phase in which I use this additive as instructed by the manufacturer for as long as the manufacturer wishes the test to be run. I will work with the manufacturer in whatever way possible to keep the results as accurate as humanly possible. But it it is a bogus claim about mileage improvement I will use very large capital letters to state so. If the claims are correct I will use even larger capital letters to announce how great the product is. Are you ready to spend some dues money for a project such as this?
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I could care less about the mileage claim, my happy dance was not having my Webasto smoking like Buddies CC and my gen purring like a kitten while fully loaded. Fuel consumption is an operating cost and would I like 10% improvement on my 7 MPG, sure, but really doesn’t matter, you have to have the go juice.
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Alright Tom, the only reason my Webasto smokes is cause I get it’s fuel in Colorado, know what I mean man !!!
Thats why I have so many friends around my coach in the winter time.
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